I'm running the 3.11 behind my 235 / '57 Chevy, and LOVE the gear spacing! ). I don't see a problem with 3.50's you have useless you feel your feathering the clutch too much or it's killing the engine when take off. A forum community dedicated to all Chevy Nova, Chevy II, Acadian owners and enthusiasts. 2.030 Does anyone know about the Super T-10 V-code above and where I can get more info on these gears? %PDF-1.4 % VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. xmp.iid:80c69d30-0d46-4d11-9acb-a483a14d2baf Adobe Systems JavaScript is disabled. You need to choose what you want to do especially if your still running that 95 hp 216 6 cylinder. 2771965578 Saginaw 3-speed, Read more: Transmission Ratios Chart http://www.roadkillcustoms.com/hot-rods-rat-rods/garage-shop-reference-Transmission-Ratios.asp#ixzz4wwRJejBN. OpenType - PS The T5 was produced in a multitude of gear sets, depending on what application it was intended to serve. He told me he did not feel the need for the extra gear and the 3 speed was an HD out of the truck with the deeper 1st gear to launch the car better, with a cast iron case it was much stronger than the aluminum 4 speeds of the day. Truck ratios were 2.99 or 2.97:1 for first, depending on . The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. rear tire should be somewhere between 29.5 to 31. im thinkin it should be a decent all around setup as there will be alot of highway driving goin on, but i still want a decent bottom end. Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by aceracer23, Jul 19, 2010. Good luck. Automotive Technical and Reference Information, Project Cars, Trucks and Salvage Vehicles For Sale. Shiftrer arms sold separately. i have been following this thread because i would like to put a lower gear in my tranny. Trade Gothic LT Std If youve got a manual transmission, were assuming its a four speed, because (from what we can tell) Chevy dropped the base manual 3-speed after 1969. It's already a Corvette Muncie 318 transmission modified to a top shifter (Corvettes were geared a little better, and the Junior Stock guys used to use the Vette gears in the passenger car case. 0 MinionPro-Regular Great for any type of race car that require a stock transmission. Wow what a statement "Saginaws suck". Saginaw 3-speed 1st 2nd 3rd No Lines (grooves) 2.85 1.68 1.00 1 Line (groove ) 2.54 1.50 1.00 2 Lines (grooves) 3.11 1.84 1.00 3 Lines (grooves) 3.50 1.89 1.00 As far as I know the saginaw, BW, and muncie should all have 4 bolt mounting flanges. The tranny lasted through 3 more motors before I finally traded the car off. http://www.britishv8.org/articles/borg-warner-t5-id-tags.htm, http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_cat_3_4_5_and_6_speeds_v24.html#GENERALMOTORS3SP, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Supporting Member 10. The newer aluminum cased one was similar; 3.25, ?, 1, .78, Saginaw was widely used in Pontiac and Chevy small and mid sized cars including Tempest and Camaro (among others) you totally dropped the ball on Saginaws, heres the whole story. Any info would be . Exchanges (if applicable)We only replace items if they are defective or damaged, or if we made the mistake. Saginaw M26/27 transmission 3 and 4-speed longitudinal light duty (less than 300 hp) wide ratio manual transmission made by GM at their Saginaw, . Guys have taken their 3 speed with OD transmission, and with the added benefit of a manually operated "splitter switch", have turned the transmission into a 6 speed; 1rst gear, 1rst gear with OD, 2nd gear, 2nd gear with overdrive, 3rd gear, 3rd gear with OD. The M-21 has a higher pitch angle on its gear teeth. "S" identified the three-speed transmission as manufactured in Saginaw, Michigan, from 1962 to 1979. Heres a good start. Copyright 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. There are 2 Saginaw 3 speeds that come with first gear ratios of 3.11 and 3.50, and there are lots of Saginaws out there. NEVER seen a spec showing the Ford T&C in a mid size GM vehicle. The Saginaw transmission adapters we manufacture will require the installation of a new output shaft. Modify your shift linkage to fit the tranny, use an OD cable for reverse. The 1 groove 3-speed was the standard car tranny in the 70s. ). The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. xmp.did:ed36c394-b627-4297-a1b0-84109fe7afd4 * Any item that is returned more than 30 days after delivery. OpenType - PS I am Butch/56sedandelivery. Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. MORE INFO BELOW in Shipping Info section. 0 The MC1 was offered on 1969 Chevelles (350 V8-up versions used the 2.42:1 low), not at all in 1970, then in 71-72 just behind 402 in Chevelles (rare). Privacy Policy. ShippingTo return your product, you should mail your product to: CircleTrackSupply.com304 5th Creek Road, Statesville, NC, 28625, United States. Hopefully some of you transmission guru's can help. I asked him why he used the 3 speed over the Muncie 4 speed. 590 hp 600 tq, RV T-400 Freakshow 3200 stall, 3.73 12 bolt posi, Get in the Chevelle and turn back the Clock 45 years. Trade Gothic LT Std More to follow, See Also: Transmission Cross Reference Database<br><ins class="adsbygoogle" style="display: block; text-align: center;" data-ad-layout="in-article" data-ad-format="fluid" data-ad-client="ca-pub-4890196604207780" data-ad-slot="3686040326"><br><script><br /> (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});<br />, An Online Magazine for DIY Hot Rod Builders. Terms of Service. We dont guarantee that we will receive your returned item. He served stints as a newspaper and magazine editor in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. A forum community dedicated to Chevrolet Chevelle owners and enthusiasts. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I was shifting into 3rd around town. It is mostly Camaro/Firebird/Corvette-focused. What is the RPO code for a 3-speed transmission? Rusty but Rare 1976 Chevy K10 Sport Truck Revival! Probably a rare console plate now. 2nd is fine but not much higher than first. They are as tough as nails, And as Paul Harvey used to say"and now you know the rest of the story", 1968 Malibu sport coupe, 489 ci. We also do not accept products that are hazardous materials, flammable liquids, or gases. The four-speed matched with the straight-sixes were 3.11:1, 2.20:1, 1.47-to-1 and 1.00:1. Saginaw three-speed transmissions featured gear ratios of 2.85:1 for first, 1.68:1 for second and 1.00:1 for third when matched with L6 in-line six-cylinder engines. Be the first to leave a comment, Sign up for Circle Track Supply, Inc. news. OpenType - PS Learn how your comment data is processed. Dearborn 3speed is the nomenclature.Ford 3.03, If you mean the 4-spd overdrive, I believe the ratios were 3.29, 1.67, 1, .81 with the older cast iron box. . We make an adapter to mate this transmission to a Jeep Dana 18 or 20 transfer case SAGINAW 3 SPEED: # OF SHAFT GROOVES 1st Gear 2nd Gear 3rd Gear 0 2.85 1.68 1.0 take offs on hills require i rev the motor . For small-block V-8s, like the 350, the three-speed used 2.54:1, 1.50:1 and 1.00:1. NVG 4500 I think, made in same plant as the Muncie 4 speed back in the day. Find "tlowe" or ask this question in Transmission forum. . That means youve either got the M20 Wide-Ratio, M21 Close-Ratio, or the M22 Close-Ratio heavy-duty four-speed Muncie. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 4-SPEED TRANSMISSION I.D. I have never seen that configuration on any other transmission. For long highway trips swap the 3.50 chuck back in. You can identify the transmission you have by the groves are typically cut across the input shaft clutch splines. More Return Info below. Finding a Saginaw 3 speed with OD is the hard one, due to the fact they are used to make a Saginaw 4 speed with OD; the Saginaw 3 and 4 speeds share the SAME case and main-shaft, that's the reason the upgrade is possible, but even it involves some minor modifications.There are plans on the internet for making a Saginaw 4 speed with OD. In 1974, the last year of initial GTO production, an M11 made by Saginaw became the standard 3-speed, replacing the Muncie M13 that came in GTO's from 1970 to 1973 (both Dearborn and Muncie were similar). They are light and are used in 500HP and 600HP applications. NEW! The Saginaw transmission adapters we manufacture will require the installation of a new output shaft. from application/x-indesign to application/pdf Vintage 1980 Yamaha Enticer Snowmobile Revival to Former Glory. 312180356 Strange mix I know but bought off the lot that way. Muncie Four-Speed Gear Ratios: M20 Wide-Ratio . United Italic Cond Copyright 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. 2.030 Great torque. Were sorry if you love a particular transmission not shown on this list. The most common Saginaw four speed is the wide ratio variety equipped with a 2.85 first gear, 2.02 second gear, 1.35 third gear, and a 1:1 fourth. [NOTE: Not every transmission in GMs history is listed here. It used an aluminum case and different gear ratios from the Saginaw 4-speed. Fred that would be a HM290 trans if it was a V-8 and a smaller version for the 4.3 L V-6. CHART SAGINAW, G.M. 2.020 at 2.85 1st gear, and a Borg Warner with a 2.94 1st gear ratio. Wagner attended California State University, Los Angeles, and has a degree in journalism. I think Ive ever only seen one truck that was equipped as such. Minion Pro We'll work to keep you motivated and informed and with industry news, product information and reviews, event coverage, and well-curated articles and stories intended to inspire and educate. Driving 70 now means buzzing it a little. 1199565182 The R-10 OD is a 2 pinion planetary OD, while the R-11 is a 4 pinion; quite a bit stronger, but never used with GM. I have tried finding it on the internet but cant. These transmissions are externally shifted and will require shifter components. Thats pretty short. Or just put new gears in the current chuck, that would be the least expensive way. A few Saginaws had an extra mounting bolt on a top point above the case. Hope this helps! Fully synchronized with 30 tooth syncro rings. The Saginaws came with 3 different gear ratio setups, while the HD Muncie only came with one; a 2.42:1 first gear, 1.58:1 second gear, and 1:1 final drive third. My velle had been pretty well ran hard and put away wet when i got it in 86. For small-block V-8s, like the 350, the three-speed used 2.54:1, 1.50:1 and 1.00:1. Trade Gothic LT Std Meanwhile, Pontiac, Oldsmobile & Buick were using the Dearborn 303 RAT, a version of the Ford toploader 3-speed that was GM version. Sale items (if applicable)Only regular priced items may be refunded, unfortunately, sale items cannot be refunded. However, 1973-77 Chevy Vegas used a Saginaw tranny with a 3.11 first gear, 2.20 second gear, 1.47 third gear, and the usual 1:1 fourth. 0 Please do not send your purchase back to the manufacturer. Axle Ratio 6T 7T . The close ratio gearboxs generally came with 3.73+ gear ratio'ed cars. So how do you tell if its an M20 or M21? 0 OpenType - PS Would anyone happen to know what 5-speed OD manual tranny was used in the 93 Chevy 1/2 ton pick-up? 229942480 0 This is a GM light-duty car transmission used from 1966-1985 model years. . If 30 days have gone by since your purchase, unfortunately, we cant offer you a refund or exchange. According to what you wrote, your tires are only about 22 tall. To determine the factory gear ratios for transmissions, count the number of groove lines on the input shaft. $13.88 $17.99. OpenType - PS OpenType - PS P245/60-14s would drop your engine rpm (@ 65 mph) by around 500 rpms. Drag Racing 101 ~ Everything You Need to Know! Must have worked out pretty well, he was running high 10's back then and he was one of the fastest cars at the track that year. Also call us if you are ordering large items like race car bodies as those are hard for the freight system to calculate sometimes and it will overestimate. uuid:503d70e0-d27a-5247-99e8-eda0f0fa8dbd 1.101 Trade Gothic LT Std either that or you need your tach recalibrated. Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. Come join the discussion about restoration, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Come join the discussion about restorations, builds, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! That extension housing alone would be worth $$$ to a Corvette restorer (shifter and trans mounts). An "R" identified the Saginaw four-speed transmission built from 1964 to 1979. Adobe PDF Library 15.0 The no groove 3-speed was the standard truck tranny in the 70s. Use the 4 speed chart to ID the first gear ratio by the grooves. Saginaw is probably your best bet. Saganaw 3 and 4 speed are used mainly in oval and dirt track modified racing. With today's power everyone wants to see less than 2000 rpm at 70 mph. http://www.chevelles.com/shop/ss_ident.html, http://www.auto-roundup.com/index.php/gto-3-speed-transmission. Thank you. Saginaw three-speed transmissions featured gear ratios of 2.85:1 for first, 1.68:1 for second and 1.00:1 for third when matched with L6 in-line six-cylinder engines. 3500 T 65 mph or so. Planning a manual transmission swap in your Chevy or GM vehicle? etc. Thank you for subscribing to the newsletter! Just wondering how durable are the 3 speed Muncie trannies? Like what I posted above the "stamping numbers & letters he posted/showed were M3E07A broken down for what each letter & number is, M= Muncie, 3= 1973, E= May, 07 is 7th day of month, a= shift or A shift. Weve assembled a variety of manual gear ratio charts for General Motors vehicles that we hope can help you avoid choosing the wrong transmission only to discover your hot rod or truck is performing like a 19th-century horse-drawn chuckwagon, minus the delicous beans and salt pork. issue and the tranny listed for the truck is the A833. Great for any type of race car that require a stock transmission. Because the Muncie has so much in common with the T-10 and even similar Saginaw boxes, it is easy to get this guy mixed up with non-Muncie units. Radio, remote mirror, and radial tires. 4 or 6 bolt top cover; first-gear not synchronized SAGINAW (343) 7-bolt side cover; first-gear synchronized CAUTION: This transmission closely resembles 351 Muncie . 2016-11-14T15:32:50-08:00 Real World Hagerty Collector Car Insurance Claim Experience, How To Be Prepared For A Dyno Session And Not Waste Your Money, Holey Goat Father/Son Texas Road Trip 5 Days, and 2000+ Miles, Are You Killing The Hot Rod Community? 0 2411932084 compare compare items. 22-24T .870 diameter gears must be used with a 1.76 OD speedo drive gear. TradeGothicLTStd-Cn18 I am in the process of swapping the Saginaw in my 64 C10 truck to a Muncie 3-speed that originally came in a 71 Chevelle with big block engine. 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