elastigirl: why oh why use such over-the-top language?? And when the top is silent, well, nothing-burger. Whats really sad to me is that when people there need encouragement, support and compassion, all they get is kicked in the head with a reminder that theyre not doing it right. I wonder about former good friends who fell in with one of those churches and just banished everyone else from their lives. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Has this already been covered by some of you. Too many parallels to Scientology. SOmeone I know described gas giant planets as gargantuan farts floating in space. After Dee published her Part 2 post on GRACE, i.e., http://thewartburgwatch.com/2021/06/28/part-2-why-i-changed-the-title-of-my-former-post-to-i-still-believe-in-g-r-a-c-e/ , the Board of GRACE published a short statement. God bless. I wonder if the 4 resigning pastors are going to run to the church David Platt is busy destroying? Max: The anointed ones are far above any rebuke and correction, you know. There are Bible colleges that make you sign a doctrinal statement when you enroll and when you graduate. maybe he is and maybe he isnt . Truly sad to hear about another church in turmoil and we ought to lament and pray that whatever is ungodly will be dealt with. I dont personally know the other Ort. The solution is threefold: repent, believe, and pray. Daisy: Didnt hurt that the Christianese Cult-Sniffers had the exact same Theology (Six-day YEC, Rapture Ready Eschatology, Altar Call/Sinners Prayer Salvation, and SCRIPTURE SCRIPTURE SCRIPTURE) as the Not-a-Cults. Note also the last line of Platts article: And be ready for someone to organize a church takeover campaign through a Facebook Group. There is an interesting section in which she describes (via insiders) how her excommunication proceeded at a church meeting. ishy: This is a huge practical and theological inconsistency within this movement. Thus we would go hard on one another. For me,it takes too much effort to ignore the obvious. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Its not just (mostly) hydrogen gas, but a LOT of gas, that due to gravity, is being crushed. Bridget: Did these men all resign their membership in the church with approval of the congregation as was demanded of Natalie?!? Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Its a deal-breaker for, well, salvation & Eternity, no matter how Calvinism, JohnEdwardism, GospelCoalitionism, bestsellers, CT, $$$, interviews, followers, networks, Evangelicalism, are in the mix. Yes they are, and they dont hafta be deep fried. This type of bully cant physically or emotionally harm like a bully in the military could. Plus, though Naselli was present at the meeting, the students alleging wrongdoing, were not. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying there are no problems with Lutheranism, Catholicism, or even Eastern Orthodox, they have their own share of problems to be sure, but they do not succumb to the whims of dictatorial strong-men bent on a take-over. so, aside from the absence of even one original thought, its to manipulate people in the name of God. In 2012, Piper stepped down as a pastor of his church (and make no mistake, this was his church) and claimed he wept for joy at Jason Meyer taking his place in the pulpit. Crazy talk. OT: Hi Ruth, not a meteorologist. Great! Ministries built around a cult of personality seldom survive when the personality leaves. Plus, I was maybe one of 10 women in the room of hundreds of men. My service did not end as I would have wished. Stanley A. McChrystal, Recently, the members of Bethlehem Baptist Church received the following message. TWO YEARS after I had left Bethlehem and removed my membership. But I think theres more going on here. At this meeting on July 18, did the congregation actually learn anything specific about Pastor Jasons resignation, or all the other resignations, or were they told that wanting real information about the people they are paying is Satanic? Meanwhile, BBC has been holding numerous meetings on multiple campuses to answer questions from its congregation. Piper details in a lengthy video his transformation from "racist teenager to transracial adoptive father." The Roys Report also has obtained more information about the complaints submitted by the 12 current and former BCS students concerning Naselli, and the way both BCS and BBC handled those complaints. But Im glad hes starting to change his mind. . Curious. ishy: A lot of cults have those similarities. At that point, Naselli demanded to talk with Lantzer about issues Lantzer had with him in front of the class, both Kleven and Lantzer said. Some . If you hurt someone unintentionally, do you need to ask that person for forgiveness? Join Facebook to connect with Brian Pickering and others you may know. What are the specific sins against GOD and PEOPLE? That evidence will be covered in a follow-up article. It would have been helpful to see it before the conversation of or the accusations made by these individuals. What is the reason people back down from a bully in the Body of Christ ?? What applies to members does not often apply to pastors or elders. Shunning. an evening of prayer, worship, and coming together. Lantzers paper was controversial, too, because it argued that that Scripture permits women to serve as deacons, elders, and preachers, which Naselli and BCS also oppose. When confronted for his actions, Naselli offered what the offended parties considered partial apologiesall with support of the elder board. As has been reported numerous times on TWW, it is not beyond a New Calvinist to deceive pastor search committees stealth and deception are their modus operandi. But when Lantzer began presenting his paper on the call, Naselli confronted Lantzer for his view and asked Lantzer why he had adopted it. I know I used the correct email address. At Bethlehem . I kind of wish I had less experience with that side, but I watched decent, compassionate people completely turn into different people after being introduced to that movement. . Email: [email protected] Toll free: (866) 364-9980 3. Still savoring Sundays service when Immanuel Nashville ordained Barnabas Piper to the gospel ministry. I am well aware of various blogs or articles that are attempting to frame them differently with hearsay or from the jaundiced perspective of a few. -to smooth down peoples thoughts and feelings to pacify them, so as to hopefully avoid direct and confrontational questions I went over to Natalies blog and read her story. Sister: People who speak with presumed authority, but are not receptive to being questionedare not worthy of the authority/respect they presume to be entitled to. "There's unethical behavior. It was hard to stomach. I wouldnt mind hearing his side. Lantzersaidthe class then took a break, and when they returned, Nasellis wife was on the call, telling the class that Naselli was a good husband and father and treated her well. Early in the New Calvinist movement, Louie Giglio was the singles pastor at Northpoint. if deep-fried chicken gizzards are plain-spoken, forthright, unceremonious (and all the other synonyms for blunt i just read), then, yes. . I pray for Andy, whom I have known for 20 yrs. That kind of pride IS the mother of all sins. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. He is among the pastors who have since resigned. Good Lord, stop stringing church members along! There are public events/actions here. Pastor Dave must not yet have his exit strategy (or severance package) for BBC, so hes going to have to tow the party line a little longer and say NOTHING! If you, as a seminary student, support infant baptism and/or womens equality (examples from the article), why would you attend a school where those positions are considered heretical? Why did the church decide Nasellis evidence with no investigation. Boot Ugly Barn is exactly the look intended. Lots of worship times, followed by big speakers. It has a reputation of having a New Calvinist flavor, but I think is similar in practice to the Summit where they keep it mostly under wraps until you start pursuing leadership. Talking and writing a good game is not a substitute for living that good game. But he said the outcome of the March 16 meeting seemed to have been decided prior to the elders gathering. Firmly convinced the whole while that the German people were not worthy of him. I suspect this plays into the problem. Julie, perhaps you could explore this more, in terms of what these guys are actually teaching. I had to send her resources to educate her about complex-post traumatic stress disorder, a very common diagnosis for victims of long term intimate emotional abuse. To borrow the NeoCal expository method of taking text out of context Jesus said I am about to spit you out of my mouth. (applies both to chicken gizzards and New Calvinism). It is now clear to me that it is best for everyone for me to resign., John Piper holds the belief that a woman (or man) who is abused by their spouse may seek shelter away from the violence but may not remarry under any circumstances while the abusive spouse is still alive. Oh yeah, no practicing what they preach when the tables are turned. This issue recently surfaced on a podcast The, Divisive, ungospel, and doing the very thing (the apostle) Paul says not to dothese are just some of the allegations leveled by, Under pressure for elders alleged abuse of power, Bethlehem Baptist Church (BBC) elder and recently-appointed Pastor for Preaching and Vision Downtown Kenny. When Bryan Pickering came to the March 16 meeting of the Elder Council at Bethlehem Baptist Church (BBC), he thought the board was going to decide the scope of an investigation into allegations concerning Andy Naselli. Anyone else confuse the Orts? I am well aware of various blogs or articles that are attempting to frame them differently with hearsay or from the jaundiced perspective of a few. The elders then voted to dismiss Pickerings grievance, with only Meyer, Tong, Brink, and Pickering voting against the motion. I know for a fact that Australias Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse was a whitewash of the most serious cases of institutional child abuse, namely ritual abuse. Instead, BCS conducted an internal investigation, spearheaded by an administrator who reportedly had buried earlier concerns. Pickering said hecouldnttell specifics of other students allegationsbecause of confidentialityconcerns. Last time I checked. Is that anything like deep-fried chicken gizzards? i did no such thing! On the 6th of August, 1754, Capt. Using Mark Driscoll as an example.why does it have to take a Christian investigative journalist to open our eyes and stand up to a bully ?? Thanks for your generous comments. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. The Roys Report reached out to Tabb for comment, but he didnt respond. Like this testimony. They include Rachel Miller, Valerie Hobbs, Ps Sam Powell and Ps Jeff Crippen. There's bullying . I have done my best to help GRACE learn how better to respond to abuse. all the while totally missing the boat that perhaps he, like many other christians, have redefined love and charitable to mean what anyone outside his peculiar christian bubble would describe as arrogant jerk. Schultz (I see nothingNOTHING!) from Hogans Heroes. However, Pickering said in an interview that he resigned over the pattern of abusive behavior by Bethlehem leaders, especially elders, that he witnessed and experienced. For some reason, he had the sense to marry me, anyway. Well, the question as i see it is, Do seminaries, (a) teach people the tools for learning, understanding, & critical thinking. 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